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		<title>By: Pineapple</title>
		<link>http://padevat.info/2009/10/07/currently-re-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-62</link>
		<dc:creator>Pineapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am unsure as to whether the poor-peasantism once unleashed by them, was too powerful for the younger generation of Communists to control, and to paraphrase Michael Vickery, that the intellectuals were pulled along with it.  Or if it was more so the intellectuals who were the source of it, projecting their own ideas of what they thought the poor peasantry actually was, putting into practice their own  romantic abstractions.  But they had to find their way out of an impasse before winning power.  To find a way around the popularity of Sihanouk, imbued with an ancient legitimacy as well as his less than wafer-thin &quot;socialist&quot; clothes, dressed on an old and corrupt system.  And to scrub out the smell of the Vietnamese from the Cambodian movement, which had led them to police repression, involving harassment, imprisonment and murder by the Sangkum, and strike out on their own.

Becoming a monk for a period of time was/is considered a rite of passage into full adulthood is it not?  I believe this was a source of resentment for poor peasant teenagers, whose families could not afford for their sons to be away from working in other people&#039;s fields., tending to other people&#039;s animals, and so were excluded from this.  No wonder the leftist propaganda sessions skilfully disguised as basic education lessons carried out by sympathetic teachers in rural schools had an effect on them, showing them something to be confident about in matters of self-respect and a wider awareness of social injustice beyond their own experience.  Monks or former monks have had involvement with revolutionary politics.  The old Khmer Viet Minh leader Son Ngoc Minh was a bonze.  I may have confused my facts, but I think a former and popular monk going by the name of Achar Kres,  as well as being a veteran of the First Indochina War, was involved in the Samlaut rebellion, with a price put on his head by the Lon Nol military.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am unsure as to whether the poor-peasantism once unleashed by them, was too powerful for the younger generation of Communists to control, and to paraphrase Michael Vickery, that the intellectuals were pulled along with it.  Or if it was more so the intellectuals who were the source of it, projecting their own ideas of what they thought the poor peasantry actually was, putting into practice their own  romantic abstractions.  But they had to find their way out of an impasse before winning power.  To find a way around the popularity of Sihanouk, imbued with an ancient legitimacy as well as his less than wafer-thin &#8220;socialist&#8221; clothes, dressed on an old and corrupt system.  And to scrub out the smell of the Vietnamese from the Cambodian movement, which had led them to police repression, involving harassment, imprisonment and murder by the Sangkum, and strike out on their own.</p>
<p>Becoming a monk for a period of time was/is considered a rite of passage into full adulthood is it not?  I believe this was a source of resentment for poor peasant teenagers, whose families could not afford for their sons to be away from working in other people&#8217;s fields., tending to other people&#8217;s animals, and so were excluded from this.  No wonder the leftist propaganda sessions skilfully disguised as basic education lessons carried out by sympathetic teachers in rural schools had an effect on them, showing them something to be confident about in matters of self-respect and a wider awareness of social injustice beyond their own experience.  Monks or former monks have had involvement with revolutionary politics.  The old Khmer Viet Minh leader Son Ngoc Minh was a bonze.  I may have confused my facts, but I think a former and popular monk going by the name of Achar Kres,  as well as being a veteran of the First Indochina War, was involved in the Samlaut rebellion, with a price put on his head by the Lon Nol military.</p>
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		<title>By: Tong Reasathea</title>
		<link>http://padevat.info/2009/10/07/currently-re-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>Tong Reasathea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 03:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s against my views now that poor peasantry could influence anyone. It rather was Pol Pot who was influenced by poor peasantry and who brought up anti-intellectualism as a part of his new belief. Somebody had to be behind all this, could it just master play of a singular man? He tended to break with everyone.  In the end of his life Ieng Sary and Son Sen. Probably he had reservations about them for a while, there, if I believe some confessions who implicated Ieng Thirith. And Son Sen. Purges stopped by 1979 but, were they intended to be stopped in 1979? 

And interesting info about Ta Mok. I didn&#039;t know that his father spent 20 years in monastery before he married and before Ta Mok was born. Ta Mok, himself spent 8 years studying Pali and Buddhist classics.  He wasn&#039;t that much of an intellectual contrary to usual perception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s against my views now that poor peasantry could influence anyone. It rather was Pol Pot who was influenced by poor peasantry and who brought up anti-intellectualism as a part of his new belief. Somebody had to be behind all this, could it just master play of a singular man? He tended to break with everyone.  In the end of his life Ieng Sary and Son Sen. Probably he had reservations about them for a while, there, if I believe some confessions who implicated Ieng Thirith. And Son Sen. Purges stopped by 1979 but, were they intended to be stopped in 1979? </p>
<p>And interesting info about Ta Mok. I didn&#8217;t know that his father spent 20 years in monastery before he married and before Ta Mok was born. Ta Mok, himself spent 8 years studying Pali and Buddhist classics.  He wasn&#8217;t that much of an intellectual contrary to usual perception.</p>
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		<title>By: Pineapple</title>
		<link>http://padevat.info/2009/10/07/currently-re-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Pineapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it relies on other research and is a little dry, but it is a good source of information.

On the subject of anti-intellectualism, the source of this could possibly be the experience of other Communist Parties, such as the French, and in relation to that the ICP.  With regard to &quot;proletarianisation&quot; of the organisations.  Workers and peasants finding it easier to join the Party, and those of intellectual background having to go through a process of longer probation until deemed trusted enough to enter into meaningful activity.  The French-educated group of Communists, of which Sar was a part, had to go through this, probably in their eyes, humiliating experience.  Cleaning latrines and doing the cooking isn&#039;t what they would have expected.  With not being trusted or seen as a threat by other, non-intellectual Communists of the old Khmer Viet Minh,  prior to their taking leadership of the Cambodian movement.  These younger Communists would find other allies who were probably more suspicious of intellectuals than the Communists they resented.  Small-town rebels like Ta Mok.  Into the DK period, anti-intellectual sentiments were in part influenced by the Communist&#039;s main constituency — the poor peasantry.  It wasn&#039;t about complete antipathy, however, but what they in turn would see as a threat to their own power.  The blank slate policy of their regime would, in theory, later create new Khmer, inculcated with the &quot;correct&quot; mental outlook in a modern socialist society.  Better than anything produced in the old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it relies on other research and is a little dry, but it is a good source of information.</p>
<p>On the subject of anti-intellectualism, the source of this could possibly be the experience of other Communist Parties, such as the French, and in relation to that the ICP.  With regard to &#8220;proletarianisation&#8221; of the organisations.  Workers and peasants finding it easier to join the Party, and those of intellectual background having to go through a process of longer probation until deemed trusted enough to enter into meaningful activity.  The French-educated group of Communists, of which Sar was a part, had to go through this, probably in their eyes, humiliating experience.  Cleaning latrines and doing the cooking isn&#8217;t what they would have expected.  With not being trusted or seen as a threat by other, non-intellectual Communists of the old Khmer Viet Minh,  prior to their taking leadership of the Cambodian movement.  These younger Communists would find other allies who were probably more suspicious of intellectuals than the Communists they resented.  Small-town rebels like Ta Mok.  Into the DK period, anti-intellectual sentiments were in part influenced by the Communist&#8217;s main constituency — the poor peasantry.  It wasn&#8217;t about complete antipathy, however, but what they in turn would see as a threat to their own power.  The blank slate policy of their regime would, in theory, later create new Khmer, inculcated with the &#8220;correct&#8221; mental outlook in a modern socialist society.  Better than anything produced in the old.</p>
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		<title>By: Tong Reasathea</title>
		<link>http://padevat.info/2009/10/07/currently-re-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator>Tong Reasathea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Found &quot;eyes of pineapple&quot; very boring. It&#039;s good for compilation but little for original source of information. Currently reading J&#039;ai cru aux KR with the French English dictionary. Original insight. Finished &quot;Stay alive my son&quot;. There&#039;s tons of books to read yet. Glad to see your website with many original video, found it through the search for Vorn Vet.  I am able to understand Khmer a little so it was a pleasure to watch Socialist construction.

My blog about building a new human. I use a lot of information taken from the DK experience  just to underline some of the ideas. Bashing &quot;Mac-Lenin&quot;, as they called in Vietnamese is necessary. Founding a new human is a difficult way, communists try to confuse regular people with their Talmudic philosophy, thus it&#039;s a 50 % anti-communist and 100 % anti-intellectual. 

Hardly anyone reads what I write as it quiet unreadable. Most of people prefer to cling to their old marxism-leninisms, then to accept something new.  Plus it&#039;s in Russian. 

Anyways, I will re-read your page, I glad that I found a person who is obsessed with DK as I am. 

Chum reab lea mit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found &#8220;eyes of pineapple&#8221; very boring. It&#8217;s good for compilation but little for original source of information. Currently reading J&#8217;ai cru aux KR with the French English dictionary. Original insight. Finished &#8220;Stay alive my son&#8221;. There&#8217;s tons of books to read yet. Glad to see your website with many original video, found it through the search for Vorn Vet.  I am able to understand Khmer a little so it was a pleasure to watch Socialist construction.</p>
<p>My blog about building a new human. I use a lot of information taken from the DK experience  just to underline some of the ideas. Bashing &#8220;Mac-Lenin&#8221;, as they called in Vietnamese is necessary. Founding a new human is a difficult way, communists try to confuse regular people with their Talmudic philosophy, thus it&#8217;s a 50 % anti-communist and 100 % anti-intellectual. </p>
<p>Hardly anyone reads what I write as it quiet unreadable. Most of people prefer to cling to their old marxism-leninisms, then to accept something new.  Plus it&#8217;s in Russian. </p>
<p>Anyways, I will re-read your page, I glad that I found a person who is obsessed with DK as I am. </p>
<p>Chum reab lea mit.</p>
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		<title>By: Pineapple</title>
		<link>http://padevat.info/2009/10/07/currently-re-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>Pineapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 07:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You a graduate,  or a layperson like me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You a graduate,  or a layperson like me?</p>
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		<title>By: SuperJohnny</title>
		<link>http://padevat.info/2009/10/07/currently-re-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>SuperJohnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This movie Kampuchea 1978, I cannot find any information about it yet I read so much about Yugoslavian journalists visiting Cambodia in 1977.  Any hints or links? Is it possible to see/buy it anywhere?

Pineapple, thank you for your blog!!! It&#039;s awesome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This movie Kampuchea 1978, I cannot find any information about it yet I read so much about Yugoslavian journalists visiting Cambodia in 1977.  Any hints or links? Is it possible to see/buy it anywhere?</p>
<p>Pineapple, thank you for your blog!!! It&#8217;s awesome!</p>
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		<title>By: Pineapple</title>
		<link>http://padevat.info/2009/10/07/currently-re-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>Pineapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: lb</title>
		<link>http://padevat.info/2009/10/07/currently-re-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>lb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can revise your &#039;loyal&#039; readeship to about five; fascinating (and perceptive) stuff.

The music in the first clip is great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can revise your &#8216;loyal&#8217; readeship to about five; fascinating (and perceptive) stuff.</p>
<p>The music in the first clip is great.</p>
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		<title>By: Pineapple</title>
		<link>http://padevat.info/2009/10/07/currently-re-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Pineapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the thoughtful comment.  The voluntarist contribution to &quot;socialist&quot; planning cannot be but attractive to these kinds of people.  After all, societies that don&#039;t fit some classical European scheme are not static, and conflict does and will continue to happen. So for these people a way has to be found in order to change undesirable conditions, whether it be internal exploitation or foreign domination. And even under some degree of centralisation and concerted effort, mobilising hitherto untapped potential and resources, peasant smallholdings are perhaps not the best base on which to build a high degree of industrialisation.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the thoughtful comment.  The voluntarist contribution to &#8220;socialist&#8221; planning cannot be but attractive to these kinds of people.  After all, societies that don&#8217;t fit some classical European scheme are not static, and conflict does and will continue to happen. So for these people a way has to be found in order to change undesirable conditions, whether it be internal exploitation or foreign domination. And even under some degree of centralisation and concerted effort, mobilising hitherto untapped potential and resources, peasant smallholdings are perhaps not the best base on which to build a high degree of industrialisation.</p>
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		<title>By: Salamander</title>
		<link>http://padevat.info/2009/10/07/currently-re-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Salamander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you’ve built a good argument that the Democratic Kampuchea regime did have a lot of development plans to expand industry, medicine and other things. They wanted their society to move forward, so they weren’t ideologically primitivist as are some factions of anarchists. As you point out, people were promoted for ideological reasons rather than their skills and they had unrealistic expectations for rebuilding their agriculture and providing the means to expand their economy. A lot of factors can leave a country in a primitive state, but few of these countries intended for that to happen. Your analysis on Democratic Kampuchea is very well researched.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you’ve built a good argument that the Democratic Kampuchea regime did have a lot of development plans to expand industry, medicine and other things. They wanted their society to move forward, so they weren’t ideologically primitivist as are some factions of anarchists. As you point out, people were promoted for ideological reasons rather than their skills and they had unrealistic expectations for rebuilding their agriculture and providing the means to expand their economy. A lot of factors can leave a country in a primitive state, but few of these countries intended for that to happen. Your analysis on Democratic Kampuchea is very well researched.</p>
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